hi
I am aware that ,by opening this blog and hypothesis ,I may be opening a big debate. I may not be able to prove it right now ,but this is a simple hypothesis based on observations
Earth moves with 23 and half degree NE declined. Moon maximum declination is 24 degrees North or South. Hence,23+24 =47 degrees North maximum declinaion. Similarly 23-24 =-1 degrees.This is because from maximum declinations Moon changes the declination and hence momemtum change in molten magma.
The maximum and major earthquakes occur at 37 to 57 degrees North as well as south(47+ or -10 degrees)(As tidal pull applies diagonlly it replicate at south also). Regarding -1 position ,the major and frequaent quakes occur at 9 degrees North to 11 degrees South(-1 + or -10 degrees)
These are just observations and no stats or mathematical calculations are done yet.
I believe,,this is the reason why we have potent and frequent quakes at these places
open for criticism
Regards
Amit
Amit;
ReplyDeleteSee my post on Earthwaves.
Declination is a blind alley.
Roger
Roger
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Amit;
I looked at the days from 1973-2010, 13877 days in all.
During that time the moon reached a maximum or minimum declination 992 times, about every two weeks.
Also during that time there were 582 mag 7+ quakes.
But only 105 of the quakes were within a 3 day window centered on a maximum or minimum declination day.
Don't waste your time on this.
Roger
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When I say extereme declination is the cause of quake,dont consider as it is the only cause of major quakes.
All those things due to which momentum changes(direction and speed changes) and pull maximises can cuase quakes. Hence ,If you try to find 90% quakes during extreme declination ,it will not happen.
Extereme declinations is one of the cause ,others being
1) Major palnets stationed
2) Moon at perigee
3)Sun Moon aspects-phases of Moon
4)Major stationed planets aspect with Moon
5) Distances of planets with Earth
As for example, on given date ,Moon is not at Maximum declinatuion ,but rest of the causes are applicable, a 7+ quake will occur.
Howevr ,if declination maximum occurs along with other criteria,quakes will be even 7.5+
So ,evaluating quakes taking a single criteria like
phases of Moon
Declination of Moon or proximity will not show any conclusion
It would be batter,if We calulate 7+ quakes in theses zones vis a vis all over globe
Amt
Amit;
ReplyDeleteLet us say for the sake of argument that what you say is true.
But these are all triggers; nothing will happen if the fault is not ready.
So some trigger times will have quakes and some will not.
And some quakes will happen because the fault is overloaded, regardless of triggers.
So what good is the trigger?
You still won't know when the quake will happen.
Roger
Roger
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily. it is like Full Moon and New Moon criteria.All full Moon and New moon does not give major quakes and all major quakes are not necessarily on these Moon phases.
Roger one thing can be done ,to check combination
1)Find planets changing the direction(Jupiter ,Saturn ,Venus and Mars).there will be approx 8 such dates in a year
2)15 days before and after these dates will give 8 months ie 250 days
3)In each of these months there will be
one full Moon One New Moon and two Neap tide moon ie ---4 days
two extreme declinations----- --------2 days
Four Moon aspects (0,90,180 and 270 degrees) of Moon
with planet changing direction-------------------------4 Days
one Moon at perigee ----- ---- -------- -----1 day
-----------11 days
11 days* 8 = 88 days say 90 days.Here no window period ,only one date
we need to find out (may be a software is required)
Now total major quakes (6.5+) occurred in these 90 days vis a vis whole year may give some what correct combination of all triggers
regards
Amit
Amit;
ReplyDeleteYou're lucky I do this for fun.
Hiring a programmer for all this would cost you a fortune!
Roger
I have observed good coincidences of dates of extreme declinations and occurrences of earthquakes and I use it too Amit.
ReplyDeleteHowever it comes back begging for calculation of the Physics behind it as Roger points out. Otherwise STATS is the ONLY way, stats pointing out the significance of the link between the phenomenon and the occurrence of quakes, and you have shown trivia stats.
ReplyDeleteRoger
ReplyDeleteI am greatly obliged.In fact,yesterday only ,I admited to my wife that,Roger is one of my best mentor.The more we discuss ,more I try to be precise.
regards
Amit
Amit;
ReplyDeleteThank you.
I appreciate someone who listens and tries to improve.
Roger
Amit, If a planet (Saturn, Jupiter say)is stationary, are you saying that its angular momentum is zero? Saturn and Jupiter have nearly all the angular momentum of the solar system. Considring that Newtons law of attraction of masses is the only long distance force between planets (magnetic I assume small) and therefore the only force that may cause angular momentum exchange, the question is WHY dont we see major earthquakes when Saturn and Jupiter are at PERIGGE instead? Any ideas?
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hi
ReplyDeleteAngular momentum L=r*P where r is position and P is liner momentum
And we have p =m*V . m is mass and V is velocity
Now when v is zero( at stationed condition)we have L is Zero.
What I thing causes quakes is change in V before and after stationed position Hence major planets when changes direction,induces quakes before and after stationed position
If the planet s slow moving (Saturn) is takes time to retard and accelerate.Hence in some cases even for 3 weeks the effect is noticed
Amit
Hi Amit, Thanks for replying. However what you say is not what happenes. When a planet is station it is an illusion in the sky it is NOT station at all. L does not change due to change as velocity cannot be zero.
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Anonymous
ReplyDeleteHere I am talking of relative speed only and not absolute speed( as seen from a stationary point out side the earth.
Though it is apparent ,it does have effect on earth
The best example is like this
suppose two persons travel in two different trains ,side by side,Parrnell, at equal speed. speed of none of the train changes
They are holding a rope in their hand ,and standing at the door of each of the train
Now ,if one train traverse a curve path (with same speed) and other moving in the same parallel path
What will happen to the rope which they are holding?
Both the direction and pull on the rope will change ,though none of the train have change the speed
Amit
Hi Amit,
ReplyDeleteIs it true that when the eye 'sees' zero relative speed that the planets evolved have the same speed?
Remi
Amit, yes I see what you say and thanks for replying. It is the momentum relative to the earth in my opinion that is important as the earthquakes happen on earth. Why is this not happening when Saturn and Jupiter at perigee?
ReplyDeleteRemi
Amit,
ReplyDeleteI am glad to say my first prediction was a few hours off 7.3 R yestrday as you noticed. However people will not see my predictions as they are burried under the posts.
Remi
Anonymous
ReplyDelete1) No. Planet can not have Zero speed. What matters more than angular momentum is vector change (direction ) in linear momentum
2) When Jupiter and Stuen are at perigee , they may give quakes . But the potent (7.0+)one occurs when they change the direction and are at perigee at the same time
When we say perigee of Jupiter ,it could be perigee with respect to Earth )closest to earth) as well as Perigee with respect to Sun
When they are closest to sun (orbital perigee)they are fastest also,and this speed makes the difference,when we count angular momentum.
Amit
Hi Amit,
ReplyDeleteCan you give us specific dates when this has happened?
Thanks
Remi
orbital closest point to the sun is called perihelion
ReplyDeleteAnonymous
ReplyDeleteThaks
Amit
Amit;
ReplyDeleteYou've been awfully quiet lately.
How are you doing with the analysis of the 2010 data I sent you?
Finding any errors?
Roger
Roger
ReplyDeleteI have not gone through it in details.I have aleady posted my finding for 2010 on my tis blog
Amit
This forum is really awesome! I’m happy to have found it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing this helpful information here.
ReplyDeleteHello everyone! I’ll stay by there and watch your discussion. I’m new to this sphere, but I’m really interested in it.
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